- In the 1900s, women were the primary caretakers and now there is equality between men and women for careers. That may be decreasing the value of having a family.
- Part of the problem is a need for welfare reform. The system is abused. Women will have children with multiple fathers to get more welfare income.
- A lot of people are not raising families. It's more than just a lack of education or low economic status.
- A large number of women are thinking they'll never get married. Why? Is there really a shortage of marriageable men? Where did the marriageable men go?
- According to last night's reading, the guys aren't dependable. The women don't see the men as able to hold up their half of the relationship.
- On page 73, the girls say that the men try to tell them what to do. Maybe they don't want to marry because they don't want to be controlled.
- What makes a man "marriagble"? Who decides?
- Men have children out of wedlock too. This quote is stereotypical. It's not just women.
- In the reading, most women pregnancies were unplanned.
Then we brought the discussion back to "In the Basement of the Ivory Tower" (continued from last class):
- Everyone should have the opportunity to go to college, but not everyone can keep up with the work that college requires.
- People need to know the basics before going to college.
- Not everyone will want to go or should go.
- Degrees are of lesser value now because everyone has a Bachelors.
- Lots of students cannot afford to go to grad school so they don't end up going.
- But then why bother getting the Bachelors if you can't do grad school (if you need grad school for your career)?
- Why is society making it so difficult to get a degree and to get a job?
- Classes should be weed out classes. People should not need to apply to upper-division programs once they are already accepted into the college.
- Aren't you wasting your time if you don't get into the programs?
- But it makes people work harder because it's a competitive situation.
- It makes people more prepared for the work force.
- Weed out classes are better because they will show you who will stay/survive in the program and won't waste time and money. The hard classes also prepare you better for the work force.
- It just shows the importance of guidance and support before college. We all need someone who will be very real and honest about the realities of college, particular majors, how to pay for college and what the procedures are to get a job after college.
- Advising and preparation is necessary, but it is currently lacking.
- People focus on getting into college but not what happens when they get there.
- Not everyone should go to college. Some people already have paths that don't involve college that will be just (if not more) successful.
- Experience has social capital value in society. There are things that cannot be taught in school.
- No one should be forced to go to college, but everyone should have the opportunity.
- In the first year of high school, you should take a pre-college course to see if college is for you.
- Even if you don't go to college, there might be classes you could take to give you an edge (business classes, for example).
- Some view not having an education as a bad thing.
- According to society, yes, everyone should go to college.
- In the past, little to no school was required to get a job. Now jobs are requiring junior college at minimum.
- Why does society require more school? Is it because of modernized technology?
- Part of it is that major issues have happened if training is like a game of telephone (word of mouth).
- It's more dependable to have formal education. It standardized things.
- There is also more push in jobs for continuing education.
- General education courses are not about getting a degree. They are about critical thinking about the job and the world around you.
- If you are only trained in one field, how will you be qualified for another position? You need a broader education.
- If everyone went to college, who would do the other jobs (fast food, manual labor, etc)? We need people in those jobs.
- If everyone went to college, people would get very small amounts of financial aid.
- Even if you can afford it, should you have to pay for it yourself?
- Many people cheat the system for financial aid.
- But how would you determine whether they are cheating?
- Some people make too much money to get aid, but not enough to pay for college without loans.
- If you are qualified for college and don't have money, you can get a scholarship.
- The big scholarships are for minorities and low income.
- You can work a job and go to college.
- You can do University of Phoenix. You can do online school.
- There are trade class at some schools. These trades could can give you a back up if college doesn't work out.
- Financial aid should be based on effort. There should be an application process similar to college admission applications.
- Scholarships should be balanced between merit-based, GPA-based and needs-based.
- You need to be doing stuff for scholarships (volunteering, extra cir. activities) throughout high school. You cannot just do it your senior year and expect to get scholarships.
- The people who do the work are the ones who get the scholarships.
- GPA is not the best determiner for scholarships. And community service is easy when you already have the time and money. It should be based on needs.
- But even if your parents have money that doesn't mean your parents will pay for you.
- Cheating is available to everyone, but not everyone does it.
- There should be a space on FAFSA to indicate who is paying for the college.
- Some parents think that children should have to work for college.
- Why should parents have to pay? Your college doesn't affect them.
- What about parents who wouldn't let their kids have hobs in high school?
- Should people take time off between high school and college to earn money for college?
- Aren't you going to college to get a job?
- There should be bracketed scholarships.
- It goes back to being educated about education.
Homework:
Post what you are thinking about today's discussion.
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